ATTENDANT BRIAN_LEVESON_QC CHRIS CLERK CONSTABLE DC_HAZEL_SAVAGE DC_KEMPINSKY DC_LAW DETECTIVE DET_SUPT_BENNETT FEMALE_OFFICER FOREMAN_OF_THE_JURY FRED GOATLEY JADE JANET JOHN_SUCHET JOSH JUDGE KIRSTY MAGISTRATE MALE_DETECTIVE MALE_OFFICER MALE_REPORTER MIKE MILES NEWSREADER_2 NEWSREADER_3 NEWSREADER_4 NEWSREADER_5 NEWSREADER_6 OFFICER POLICE_CONSTABLE_VO POLICE_RADIO_VO RICHARD_FERGUSON_QC RITA_CRANE ROBERT_HALL ROSE SIR_TREVOR_MCDONALD SYD ROSE Alright I’m coming out. I’m getting out as quick as I can. It was a long time ago alright and I didn’t want you to… You have got no right whatsoever doing this! I got a fucking hair-dresser's appointment this afternoon! Don't pull me! Don't you fucking pull on my arm, girl, or I'll pull on yours! I'll fucking break it for you if you want! Bitch! MALE OFFICER …the full name please. …an exact description of what she was wearing the last time you saw her. …how old was she then? The exact date please… yep. FEMALE OFFICER … I just need to get a few more details. Could you tell me where she was last seen please? Could you just hold the line for a moment? MALE DETECTIVE How could you have killed Charmaine if you were in prison, Mr West? That's a photograph of the remains of your daughter Heather. How do feel when you look at it? Rose helped you to kill Heather, didn't she? FRED No comment. No comment. No comment. DC KEMPINSKY ... and I am DC Carl Kempinsky. Could I have your name please? Could you please confirm your name for the tape? DC HAZEL SAVAGE It was thought that a different team, different tactics, might speed things up. JANET You want me to resume as his Appropriate Adult? DC HAZEL SAVAGE I'd understand if you said no. JANET No, I'll do it. Not because I want to do him any favours. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Sir? Mrs Leach is back on board sir. DET SUPT BENNETT Good... Well, I appreciate it... He's coming up from the cells now. DC HAZEL SAVAGE We're going to Kempley, we can't find Rena's remains. Dc HAZEL SAVAGE Mrs Leach has agreed to resume as your Appropriate Adult. FRED Well now, the day already looks a lot rosier. POLICE CONSTABLE VO … Quebec Lemur go ahead over. POLICE RADIO VO … On way to Kempley over. DC HAZEL SAVAGE You can see all the work we've done here Fred and we still haven't found any remains. FRED Rena's somewhere here. I'd put my shirt on it. DC LAW But if Rena's here, why isn't Charmaine, if you killed them at the same time? FRED Charmaine was a child, and it is very hard to talk about that- DC LAW But we need you to do that Fred - tell us exactly what happened. JANET Are you going to answer the officer Fred? DC LAW You'd split up with Rena, hadn't you? You were living with Rose and you had Charmaine with you... FRED Well I arranged to meet Rena at a pub, I got her drinking, got her absolutely paralytic, then drove her out here and strangled her. Dc HAZEL SAVAGE And where was Charmaine? FRED Asleep in the car. Rena had given her lager or something. And I thought what the heck am I going to do? Her mum dead. Poor little lamb. Who was gonna tell her that?.. So I strangled her.. And drove her back to Midland Road... Sat outside the house for a while, while I was sure Rose was in bed. And then I hid Charmaine by the back wall of the house, thinking I'd bury her the next day. DC HAZEL SAVAGE So... we need to start searching the Midland Road house as well? FRED Correct. JANET What is it Fred? Why are you looking over there? FRED Something pulling me there. JANET What is it? FRED Anna. JANET Who's Anna? DC HAZEL SAVAGE Is this Anna McFall, Fred? Anna that used to look after your children when you were with Rena? FRED I can feel her now... she's calling to me. DC LAW I've got to remind you Fred that you're still under caution. You don't have to say anything unless you wish to do so, but what you do say may be given in evidence. FRED I can feel her presence now... It's like she is standing beside me... DC HAZEL SAVAGE Did you murder Anna, Fred? Did you bury her here? JANET Are you all right Fred? FRED I did not kill Anna. Believe me, Janet. Anna had my babby. How could I kill the greatest love of my life with my babby inside her? KIRSTY Janet? Janet? Kirsty Stephens the Herald. We need to talk to you about... JANET I've got nothing to say! MALE REPORTER What is the work you are doing with the police? SYD Can't you see the lady just wants to get home! JANET Thank you. JADE Hi Mum. CHRIS Hi mum. JANET Hi. How's things? JOSH Yeah great fun living in the middle of a siege. JANET I'm sorry about that. JOSH So why are you doing it again? Tell them to stick it. JANET Hi? Hazel... What now? All right. Don't Josh. OFFICER Mrs Leach I'll come down with you. JANET No, it's alright. FRED Janet. I just wanted to say I hope I didn't upset you today. I thought I might have frightened you off. JANET What are you doing?! FRED I cannot get to the end of this without you! JANET Get off me! That's completely out of order! FRED I'm sorry Janet. It won't happen again, I swear. It's just... all this business about Anna today it's upset me... You see, Anna was more important to me than anyone in the world. And I truly did feel her in that field... And I can feel her with me now... because you're here. She guiding me... through you. JANET I don't know what you're talking about- FRED Ah but you would, you would Janet, if you saw Anna, you would understand... DC HAZEL SAVAGE I’m sorry about that. But he was insistent he wanted to see you. JANET He just needed reassuring I wasn't going to quit. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Good. JANET Can I ask...? DC HAZEL SAVAGE Yes. JANET Anna McFall. Who exactly was she? DC HAZEL SAVAGE Basically she was a 17-year old girl. When Fred was with Rena she used to look after their children. She developed some kind of infatuation with Fred, which led to an affair. Anna got pregnant, wanted Fred to leave Rena, shortly after that she went missing. This was August 1967. We released a picture of her earlier. Night. DC LAW We're now applying for a warrant to search the area where you indicated Anna McFall might be. FRED I'd say that’d be wise. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Did you kill her Fred? FRED I'd sooner stab myself in the heart with a dagger. DC LAW If you didn't, who did? FRED If it was anyone it would be Rena. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Why Rena? FRED When Rena found out about Anna she couldn't bear it. But Anna refused to give me up. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Did you enjoy having two women fighting over you? FRED I have had to learn to live with women competing over my affections. DC HAZEL SAVAGE You enjoy being part of a love triangle? Is that how it sometimes was with Rose? FRED If you are trying to get me to say my loving wife ever hurt anyone- DC HAZEL SAVAGE You've just told us your previous wife did- FRED This is a trap Janet, can you see that? JANET The police are just asking questions Fred and you need to answer them honestly. FRED And I am! Rose is not a murderer! Dc HAZEL SAVAGE I just don't believe you, Fred. I think Rose killed Charmaine. FRED Well that's up to you. DC HAZEL SAVAGE And we're asking Rose exactly the same questions and if there's any discrepancy- FRED There'll be no discrepancy because she'll tell you absolutely nothing- DC HAZEL SAVAGE How do you know? DC LAW Did she tell you that's what she would do? FRED All I know is you'll never break Rose down, she ain't afraid of you lot... Matter of fact, it's you should be afraid of her. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Why? FRED On account of the fact that some of your lot was using her services. Are you with me Janet? There were coppers paying Rose for sex. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Where's your evidence- FRED Rose got the evidence- DC HAZEL SAVAGE If there were such evidence, Fred, we wouldn't allow that to inhibit our investigation. You're grinning again. You're adopting that cocky tone. Don't you agree, Janet? JANET I do. And I think it's most regrettable Fred. I think you should take this very seriously! FRED Now, don't you start being harsh with me, Janet- JANET I'm just telling you the truth! DC HAZEL SAVAGE You see, I don't believe you about Charmaine, nor do I believe that you could conduct sexual relationships with young women, kill, dismember and bury them in the house you shared with Rose - without her knowing? FRED What you believe don't matter, Hazel. It's what you can prove matters- DC HAZEL SAVAGE Take Lynda Gough for instance. Her parents believe Lynda became very friendly with Rose when she came to lodge with you. FRED Rose looked after her, she was like that- DC HAZEL SAVAGE And when Lynda disappeared and her parents called at your house to ask if you knew where she was, why was Rose wearing her cardigan? FRED Lynda must have left it behind. We told them that. DC HAZEL SAVAGE I think that's nonsense. I think you and Rose manipulated and coerced young women into sexual activities- FRED I've admitted: we're broadminded people- DC HAZEL SAVAGE Activities, which became sado-masochistic in nature? We know what your taste in pornography is, we know what Rose did with her clients- FRED Now, you're putting two and two together to make five- DC HAZEL SAVAGE I suggest that you and Rose took those acts much further than the girls could possibly have imagined- There was a beam in the cellar, ropes, rolls of tape, a surgical mask, other instruments of torture. I suggest you suspended them from that beam. FRED Janet tell her to stop it. DC HAZEL SAVAGE You bound and gagged them didn't you? FRED Janet you are my friend. JANET Just be honest Fred. DC HAZEL SAVAGE You watched Rose subject them to unspeakable agonies until they eventually died - and you just stood back and watched, for your own sexual gratification. And when Rose had finished with them, you dismembered their bodies and buried them with her full knowledge! I suggest that the two of you did similar things to your daughter Heather and to Charmaine? FRED Rose is innocent! I ain't got nothing more to say! DC LAW Interview is terminated at 15.54. DET SUPT BENNETT A word please DC Savage. DC HAZEL SAVAGE Rose has been charged with the murder of Lynda Gough. FRED I don't believe you. DET SUPT BENNETT Well that's up to you, but it's a fact. FRED She wouldn't have admitted it, you ain't got no evidence- DET SUPT BENNETT I believe we have enough. FRED I need Rose back in the house and our house put back together, the family put back together- DC HAZEL SAVAGE I don't think that's going to happen Fred. FRED Janet help me! Help me! JANET Get off me! FRED They're smashing up my family! DC LAW Fred! FRED Don't let them do it Janet! Please, don't let them, please! Don't let them! DC LAW Fred calm down! DC HAZEL SAVAGE Are you okay? JANET Have you really got evidence- DC HAZEL SAVAGE Detective Superintendent Bennett feels what we've got all we're going to get. He's bringing these interviews to a close... Your part in this is over... Thank you. JOHN SUCHET Rosemary West, the wife of the Gloucester builder Frederick West, appeared in court today charged jointly with him of murdering 19 year old Lynda Gough... NEWSREADER 2 She is jointly accused with her husband Fredrick of killing Lucy Partington and Carole Ann Cooper. Both their bodies were found hidden beneath the cellar of 25 Cromwell Street... NEWSREADER 3 Hidden beneath a blanket Rosemary West is lead into court to face a fresh murder charge. She is jointly accused of killing 21 year old Swiss student Theresa Siegenthaler, who vanished... SIR TREVOR MCDONALD The latest charge relates to the discovery at Cromwell Street of the body of Juanita Mott, she disappeared in 1975 JOHN SUCHET Rosemary West, wife of the Gloucester builder Frederick West has been charged with murdering her daughter Heather. The teenagers remains were among those found at the West's home. NEWSREADER 4 Mrs West said nothing during the three minute hearing, just listened then nodded as the two new charges were put to her. NEWSREADER 5 Last March, remains of those who were identified as those of Linda Gough were found under the ground floor bathroom. The next day the search unearthed the remains of Carole Cooper, again in the basement. Even as the last of the nine victims were discovered the search teams have already… JANET So which one's Lucy. JADE That one. JANET And which one is Max. JADE That one. JOSH Just wanted to say sorry. JANET Why? JOSH For saying you shouldn't have done it. I saw on the telly, they've both been sent for trial. You can forget it now? Move on, yeah? JANET All ready to go? Let's go. Are you alright? JOSH We're out of sausages. MIKE Fridge is full of them. JOSH And rolls. JANET Right I'll go. JADE Oh mum don't leave. JANET Back in a minute. MIKE Do you want to play football? JANET Hello. FRED Janet. It's me. How are you? JANET I'm fine. FRED What a relief to hear your voice! JANET Where are you calling from? FRED Birmingham. Winson Green prison. JANET How did you get this number? FRED Talk to the screws nicely in here, you can get anything. See I need your help, Janet. JANET What do you mean? FRED I can't really discuss it over the phone. Can you come and see me? JANET No. Fred, my involvement with you is over. I've got back to a normal family life- FRED That's grand. That's lovely. Only please give me this one bit of help, I would be so grateful. I need you Janet please? MIKE Right. I'm off. JANET Right love bye. MIKE See you. JANET I might be late tonight. If Mike's not in can you sort their tea? JOSH Oh God. MIKE No problem, I'll be back... Anything special? JANET Just a late lecture. MIKE See you. FRED Janet. Sit here. JANET Thanks. MIKE You can't divorce me. JANET What? MIKE We ain't even got round to getting married yet. So how come you need a lawyer? JANET I'm doing it for Fred West. MIKE How come? JANET He asked me to. JOSH You've been to see him? JANET Yeah. At his request. Josh I can't believe it- JANET It was a purely practical matter that he needed help with- JOSH And you agreed? You must be mad! MIKE You're only finding him a solicitor? JANET Yes, although... MIKE What? JANET I get the feeling that there's more he wants to tell me. MIKE About what? JANET About what he did, what Rose did- MIKE Such as? JANET I don't know, Mike. And if I did, I wouldn't want to talk about it... Look, our life got into a terrible mess before because of him, if you don't want me to do this then I won’t. MIKE No, I'm fine. I'm taking my medication... so long as you're okay with it? ATTENDANT Yes please. JANET I saw they found Anna. FRED I know... My worst fears confirmed. The memories, memories of her just keep flooding back. Walking down the river under the moonlight, the smell of her hair, the laughter, making love on a blanket under the old oak tree... JANET Who killed her Fred? FRED I think it was Rena. JANET How did you know where she was buried? FRED I heard her calling to me, Janet. JANET Do you really expect me to believe that? FRED Life is full of such mysteries and wonders Janet! It is a wonder that you come into my life, and it is a bigger one that you are the image on my Anna. Did you ever see a picture of her? JANET Yes. FRED I could no more have hurt Anna than I could you... And if you want the truth... the truth about Anna, then my whole life in fact, I've written it down... Look... JANET I was loved by... FRED An angel. My Anna was an angel. JANET You've written 'Angle'. In fact, half of this is all misspelt. FRED Well know. See I left school at fourteen didn't I... But you could help me Janet? Help me write the true story of my life. Then you'd know everything, wouldn't you? And when this is over, I want you to tell the world what really happened. The truth needs to come out. Dear Janet, my book is coming along well thanks to your help. I am looking forwurd to seeing you agen so you can rede mor of my book about Anna. JANET Dear Fred. I hope to be able to get up to Birmingham again early next month. I bought you some t-shirts as you asked and I’m really forward… …to reading the next part of your book. FRED Dear Janet, the more I write my book... ...the more I think about Anna and the more I think about her the more I know she was the one. When I fell in love with Rose it was the Anna in Rose that I saw. But you too are my guide Janet for I see... ...Anna in you too but I cannot see her in Rose no more as she do not even answer my letters... It is hard for me to face this but I hav realise that Rose love Rose and no one else and so as Anna is dead I ham left with only you Janet as a true sowel mate. But it his a good job Rose do not know of how close we hav becum as she wood be very jellus... JANET Hi. MIKE All right? JANET Yeah. MIKE Another? JANET Yeah. Proper little pen pal he's becoming. MIKE And is he telling you stuff like you hoped? JANET Nothing concrete, but the more I open lines of communication, the more likely I think he will. MIKE I thought of a way you could get help with this. JANET What? MIKE Journalist. The Irish guy - the one you said seemed all right. I spoke to him. JANET What? MIKE He's the Mirror crime reporter. JANET I don't want to talk to any journalists, Mike! MIKE I bet he'll have information that'll help you. These guys have all kinds of sources. SYD Mike isn't it? Good to meet you. Janet. I think there are more bodies. JANET What makes you say that? SYD What I'm hearing is there were ten murders between 1971 and 1979 yet only one between 1979 and 1994. Fifteen years, only one murder - do you believe that? Then there's who did the killing? JANET Fred, in some cases with Rose's help. SYD You know Fred has a younger brother called John? JANET Yes. SYD Have the police mentioned to you about a so-called cult? Fred, Rose, John plus others possibly? Ritual killings of maybe 20 children whose names we don't even know yet? JANET Oh my God. SYD It could be no more than a rumour. But knowing Fred, would you really rule it out? And if there are any more bodies, surely they have to be found? You're still in touch with him? JANET Yes. SYD Hoping you might get him to make further admissions? JANET Not least about Rose – ‘cause he's confident she'll get off. SYD But you're not working with the police any more? JANET No. SYD Well I'd be glad to work with you. Glad to pass you any information, which comes my way in case it helps. And of course we could pay a token amount up front. But we wouldn't print the story until after Fred and Rose have been tried because we don't want to do anything, which might prejudice the trial. And after the trial there could be a substantial amount. MIKE I think you should do it, love. JANET Wouldn't it jeopardise the court case? SYD Not if you don't have to give evidence. FRED ...There I'd be, on me bike, outside the chippy, girls looking at me all sulky-like. 'Coming on the back, love? Often as not they did. The King of Ledbury I was! It was the quiff that did it, Janet! Never quite the same since the accident. JANET Accident? FRED Come off me bike one night. Busted me head real bad. Doctor pronounced me dead; woke up on the bloody mortuary slab. Here... Feel the scar. Go on. JANET I've got a present for you. Bambi. FRED Janet. That’s my favourite ever. JANET You said. FRED You've seen it? JANET Yes. FRED Breaks my heart, that. And the bit... the bit that always gets me most is... When Bambi's wandering through the woods, and the snow's coming down and... he's calling for his mother. Do you remember? JANET Yes. FRED When a youngster calls for their mum and their mum don't come Janet.... Then Bambi's dad says 'Your mother can't be with you any more... I didn't go in there with them. I could not. JANET Go in where? FRED The barn. JANET What? Who was in the barn? Rose? Your brother John? Are you saying they took children in there? And what happened? FRED They hung them from the beam. I stood outside, by the sub-station, I could still hear their cries. If I close my eyes I can still hear them now. JANET I can't get it out of my head... I mean he's told me horrific stuff before... but nothing like this... I don't know what to do with it... I can't sleep, I can't talk to Mike about it- SYD You can talk about it all you like to me love. JANET I know, I know, but I still can't get rid of the pictures, the sounds... The cries of children... I've got children Syd- SYD Janet- JANET However hard I try- SYD Janet, listen- JANET I can't stop myself thinking about someone doing those things to them- SYD Then stop. For your own peace of mind, stop. JANET I can't. How many more dead are there - that we don't even know about? Five? Ten? I need to know Fred. Twenty? FRED At least. And you will know about them all Janet, one day. That I swear. You will not be left with unanswered questions as I have been- JANET What unanswered questions? FRED About who killed Anna. If you ever find that out, whether it was Rena or who ever it was, I want you to come to my resting place and tell me. Then I shall know peace... But I want to help give you peace too Janet. JANET Then help me! FRED I am trying, but my head is muddled, because of the distress Rose is causing me. JANET Rose isn't even here! FRED But she's in here! she's in here. When we were first together, I was in charge but... Beat. He looks at her plaintively. She takes pleasure in making me feel small. She thinks that she has power over me even now but she dunt. JANET Then make that clear to her! FRED How? She won't answer my letters. When we meet in court for the remand hearings she looks... looks at me like I ain't even in the room. JANET So treat her the same way! FRED What do you mean? JANET Next time you're together in court, just ignore her. Make her feel the way she makes you feel. You have to make the final break with her, however painful. FRED I... I don't know if I've got the strength. Unless... JANET Unless what? FRED Unless you were there. See if you were there, Anna would be too. And Anna would give me the strength to show Rose I do not need her any more. Do you see that? MIKE You look great. JANET Thanks. MIKE Sure you don't want me to come with you? JANET Yeah positive, thanks. MAGISTRATE Where does this case stand? RITA CRANE Ma'am, the matter is being dealt with by Gloucester Constabulary. We anticipate there may be further charges. We request that the defendants are held for another four weeks for a committal bundle to be gathered. MAGISTRATE Thank you. Do you have any representations to make on behalf of Frederick West, Mr Miles? MILES No Ma'am. MAGISTRATE And on behalf of Rosemary West? GOATLEY No Ma'am. MAGISTRATE You are both remanded in custody whilst the prosecution continues to put together its committal papers. A provisional date for the committal hearing has been set as 6th February. You will return to court then. Do you understand? FRED Yes Ma'am. MAGISTRATE Mrs West? Take them down. FRED Rose! Rose, please- JOSH Like them other planes, the war planes. JANET Right they're ready! Leave them a minute - they're hot! Hello. My name's Janet Leach. I have a call booked with a prisoner at 4 pm... Frederick West. CHRIS Thanks mum these are well good. JADE Yesh they are really nice. Thanks mum. FRED Janet? How are you? JANET Fine, thanks. FRED Not seen you for a while. JANET No, well it's been hard... With all my college work and everything. FRED Did you get the visiting order? JANET Uh, yeah, but I'm ringing to say, I can't make it. FRED I see... When can you make it? Well... so long as it's not because you're angry with me. I thought, after what happened in court... I thought maybe, you might have thought I'd let you down. JANET If you let anyone down Fred, it was yourself- FRED Or... made you feel like you were second best... You see I meant what I said, about Anna being the one, and that I see her in you, more than I do in Rose- JANET Fred you know what, I don't give a damn where you see Anna- FRED Ah but you do. I can tell that. And believe me, nothing has changed in my feelings for you. It's just I had to give Rose one last chance to show she loved me. Do you see? I really think we can move things on in the New Year. Is that your kids I can hear? JANET Yes. FRED Well save a place for me at the Christmas dinner table. NEWSREADER 6 ...in Australia, thousands welcomed in 1995 with spectacular fireworks display over Sydney harbour Bridge. Some of the revellers decided to escape the heat by having a party in a giant bubble bath... JANET Hello?... Yes I am... Why, what's happened? He's hung himself. DETECTIVE Made a rope out of his bed linen apparently. Obviously planned it carefully. Seems you were due to visit him. JANET Yes. He wanted to see me before Christmas but it wasn't possible. DET SUPT BENNETT Do you think that might be anything to do with it? JANET Are you saying that's why he killed himself? That this is my fault? DET SUPT BENNETT You were playing with fire, Mrs Leach. I tried to warn you. The fact is I shall now find it very difficult to convict Rose West - because the one person who could tell us exactly what she's done is dead. What's more, his death means that any obligation of confidentiality you had with regard to your conversations with Fred is gone. You must tell me everything - and I mean everything - that he ever said to you. What did he tell you about the barn? JANET Only... fragments... He spoke about standing outside, hearing the cries of children- DET SUPT BENNETT And did he say Rose was there? JANET I asked him about Rose being inside, and if his brother John was too... he never really gave a clear answer. DET SUPT BENNETT Well... we're aware of the barn stories, we'll continue to look into it. And John West is still under investigation. But Rose West won't be convicted on rumour, I need evidence. We found the remains of Therese Siegenthaler under the cellar floor. Did he speak to you privately about her? JANET I only heard what he said in police interviews. DET SUPT BENNETT Shirley Hubbard? JANET The same only what he said in the interviews. DET SUPT BENNETT We believe he left her in Rose's hands for a day. That Rose used various instruments to torture and sexually violate the girl before Fred came home and they jointly murdered her. Did he discuss any of that privately with you. JANET No. DET SUPT BENNETT But he told you that Rose was involved in some of the murders? JANET Yeah and how cold-hearted and cruel she could be- DET SUPT BENNETT But it's detail I need if we're to make the charges stick! JANET I know and I'm trying to give you all the detail I can remember! DET SUPT BENNETT Anna McFall? JANET Yes, he often spoke about Anna to me. DET SUPT BENNETT You helped him write this, I believe? JANET Yes. DET SUPT BENNETT So you've read it? JANET Only bits of it - I was hoping there might be detail in there, that would help- DET SUPT BENNETT Sentimental trash. It's bullshit! He never loved her. He had no real feelings for her at all. He just used, abused and killed her- JANET He always denied killing Anna. DET SUPT BENNETT Of course he did! Wrapped in the picnic blanket they used to have sex on, she was. And he'd taken their baby from her womb. You look upset. I should read that before you shed too many tears. JANET What is it? DET SUPT BENNETT Copy of a letter for Rose we found in his cell. JANET 'Keep your promises to me, you know what they are... I have no present, all I have is my life. I will give it to you my darling. When you are ready to come to me, I will be waiting for you.' DET SUPT BENNETT His death was a last gift to Rose. Or a way of cursing the rest of her life for rejecting him... Either way you were utterly irrelevant to him. MIKE Janet? Janet. It's half eight. JANET I'm not going into college today I don’t feel very well. MIKE What about the kids? Do you want me to drop them at school? JANET Uh... yeah. MIKE Alright. Andy, Chris, Jade come on get your bags. Janet? What are you doing? What the hell are you playing at? JANET I don't know if I was going to do it- MIKE That's not how it looks to me! Why? MIKE Christ! What are you thinking of? JANET I don't know, I just... MIKE Just what? You miss him, don't you? JANET Don't be ridiculous- MIKE Yes you do, I can see it you do! Look at me, you miss Fred West? JANET I miss feeling that I mattered! I miss feeling that I was needed! MIKE What you think I don't need you? Your kids don't? JANET Of course you do, but not in the same way- MIKE Have you any idea how hurtful that is? JANET I'm sorry, Mike, I am sorry. I really am sorry, but I don't even know how I can even explain it to you- MIKE Nor do I. Look I don't care how desperate you get, how despondent, how miserable you are for the rest of your life, you cannot do this to your children. It's alright. JANET I'm so sorry. MIKE It's alright. Come on. Come on. SIR TREVOR MCDONALD ...Jurors in the Rosemary West murder trial today heard for the first time, the voice of her husband Frederick in four tapes of police interviews. On the tapes the court heard him say that he was responsible for all the murders. Rosemary was not. He said he'd killed most of his victims because they'd threatened to tell his wife about his affairs with them. But the prosecution said he had often written to police saying he was protecting someone. ITN's Robert Hall reports from Winchester Crown Court... ROBERT HALL Rosemary West has always maintained that she was- CONSTABLE Janet Leach? JANET Yes? CONSTABLE I'm been asked to deliver this to you. JANET What is it? CONSTABLE You are subpoenaed to give evidence at the trial of Rosemary West at Winchester Crown Court. FRED ....Rose didn't kill no one. I killed Charmaine when I came out of Layhill Prison. For the last time, Rose had no part of this! JANET Why are they calling me as a witness? DC KEMPINSKY Rose West's lawyers asked for Fred's police interview tapes to be played. It means the prosecution can now put Janet in the stand and ask her about them. MIKE So that's a good thing? She can tell them whatever Fred was saying about Rose on the tapes, the truth was different. DC KEMPINSKY I'm afraid I can't comment on what counsel may ask you. JANET But there were other witnesses- DC KEMPINSKY Of course. Including surviving victims who've described how Rose helped Fred rape and abuse them. But only you can comment on the truth of the tapes. JANET I just don't know if I can do it. Go into a room and face that woman. CLERK Place your hand on the bible and repeat after me. I swear by Almighty God... JANET I swear by Almighty God... CLERK That the evidence I shall give... JANET That the evidence I shall give... CLERK Shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... JANET Shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... BRIAN LEVESON QC Did Fred West ever mention a pact he had made with Rose? JANET Yes he did. He said that, shortly before his arrest, he and Rose had spoken and he agreed to take the blame for everything. BRIAN LEVESON QC Turning to the murder of Shirley Robinson, whose body was found in the garden of 25 Cromwell Street. Do you remember something that was said in police interviews about the position of the baby she was pregnant with ? JANET Yes. That is wasn't found where they expected it to be. BRIAN LEVESON QC What did Fred West tell you about that? JANET He said: 'Rose would have done that.' BRIAN LEVESON QC And what did you think he meant by that? JANET That Rose must have been present at the murder, and she had removed the baby from Shirley's womb before or after Shirley died. BRIAN LEVESON QC When Fred West described what happened to his victims at Cromwell Street, did he tell you that Rose was present? JANET Yes he did. BRIAN LEVESON QC And what did he say happened? JANET He said that he might start things off but Rose would take over. He said, she loved inflicting pain... That there were times when he had seen her inflict the most terrible pain imaginable on young women. BRIAN LEVESON QC And you were in no doubt that he was telling the truth? JANET None at all. No doubt at all. BRIAN LEVESON QC One final question Mrs Leach. The evidence of a number of potential witnesses in this case have been compromised because they have made dealings with the press for financial benefit. Have you either spoken to the press or media, or been paid by them? JANET No I haven't. BRIAN LEVESON QC No more questions, my Lord. JUDGE The court will adjourn. We will continue with your evidence after lunch Mrs Leach. CLERK All Rise! JANET What did he say? MIKE They don't care how long they have to wait, they want you back in court. The doctor's have explained because you may have had a minor stroke, you can't go back till you feel ready- JANET I can't ever go back in that court, Mike. They're onto the Mirror thing- MIKE You don't know that- JANET If they don't know now, they'll find out- MIKE Who's that from? JANET Hazel Savage. MIKE That woman detective - the one that was good to you? JANET Yeah. Wanted more than anyone else to solve the case. MIKE 'Don't let the bastards grind you down.' She's right, isn't she? What are you gonna do? RICHARD FERGUSON QC Did you ever ask yourself, Mrs Leach, whether some of the things Fred West told you were far-fetched or sheer fantasy? That even on those occasions when he appeared to be plausible, he was actually spinning a web of lies to draw you in? JANET I often asked myself that question. RICHARD FERGUSON QC And are you quite sure he wasn't just using you? JANET Using me for what? RICHARD FERGUSON QC Using you as some kind of trophy in order to try and make Rose jealous? Why did you continue your relationship with Fred West after your role as appropriate adult ended? JANET Well... RICHARD FERGUSON QC You visited him there regularly did you not? JANET I believed that because I had his trust I could eventually persuade him to tell the full story. RICHARD FERGUSON QC And when you had that 'full story', what did you intend to do with it? JANET What do you mean? RICHARD FERGUSON QC Did you think you might sell your version of it to the newspapers? May I remind you that you are on oath, Mrs Leach, and to lie on oath is to commit the serious crime of perjury. Have you sold your story to a national newspaper? JUDGE Mrs Leach, you must answer the question. JANET Yes I have. RICHARD FERGUSON QC Was that newspaper the Daily Mirror? JANET Yes it was. RICHARD FERGUSON QC So when Mr Leveson asked whether you had entered into any agreement with the media to tell your story you were lying? JANET Yes I was. RICHARD FERGUSON QC You continued your relationship with Fred West for profit? JANET No, that's not fair- RICHARD FERGUSON QC You encouraged him to give the most lurid account possible because it would give you a better story? JANET No! RICHARD FERGUSON QC And you happily swallowed his lies about Rose West because all you wanted was a story. JANET No that's not true! RICHARD FERGUSON QC Was Fred West emotionally attached to you? Were you romantically involved with Fred West? JANET No... RICHARD FERGUSON QC No more questions, your Honour. JUDGE Mr Leveson? BRIAN LEVESON QC Last lap, Mrs Leach. Mrs Leach? You have told the court you believed you were able to assist the police investigation by persuading Fred West to reveal important information to the police. JANET Yes. BRIAN LEVESON QC After you had ceased to be his appropriate adult, and began to visit him in prison, did you believe there was further information you might persuade him to reveal? JANET Yes I did. BRIAN LEVESON QC Could you tell the court what information that was? JANET Well Fred West told me there were at least twenty more victims. BRIAN LEVESON QC Twenty? JANET That's right. BRIAN LEVESON QC And you believed him? JANET Yes I did. BRIAN LEVESON QC Did he go into detail about who these victims were and where their bodies might be found? JANET No, but I believed he was getting close to it. All I wanted was for him to tell the truth... because... I'm a mother myself, and I know that if my child went missing... I'd want to know the truth. CLERK Members of the jury, you have heard the evidence. You must now retire to consider your verdict. Will the foreman of the jury please stand? Have you reached a verdict, to which you are all agreed against the defendant Rosemary West? FOREMAN OF THE JURY Yes. CLERK On count one; do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? FOREMAN OF THE JURY Guilty. CLERK On count two, do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty... FOREMAN OF THE JURY Guilty. CLERK On count three… SYD It's taken me ages. But it fits Fred’s description. Country lane. Sub-station. And the map shows a barn up here. There is some bad news too. It's been demolished. I'm reckon this really could be the place though. JANET Then again it might not be. SYD Why would he describe it in such detail? JANET Because he was a lying psychopath? And now I'll never know the truth. The thing is... you can't un-know things can you? Once someone's put some terrible knowledge in your head, you're stuck with it forever, aren't you? MIKE But you came through it. You exposed yourself to all that poison and you came though. JANET Did I? JOSH Oi! Are you two in this game or not? MIKE Come on! JADE Come on! JANET I'll never stop thinking about them; about all the lost lives, and all the people who have to carry on after what this has done to them.