ANDREAS BIRTHE DRENG FAR HIX JYTTE MAND NORA PIGE BIRTHE SPENCER TEKNIKER MAND Hello! FAR Nora? Din telefon ringede. Det er et engelsk nummer, tror jeg. SPENCER Hi. Is this Nora Sand? NORA Yes. SPENCER Great. I'm detective inspector Spencer from the Metropolitan Police in London. Do you have a moment? NORA Yeah, sure. SPENCER We've been contacted by a solicitor for William Hickley. He'd like to talk to you regarding your article. He's a convicted serial killer serving a life sentence over here in England. He says he has some new information regarding the case. NORA So he read my piece on Lisbeth and Lulu? SPENCER I'm not sure how he came across your name. But he specifically asked for you to come and talk to him. NORA And he's been locked up for how long? SPENCER He was arrested in '85. I know this is a lot to take in, but would you think about it and call me back? NORA Yeah sure. Thank you very much. Det var engelsk politi. Der er en engelsk seriemorder, der vil tale med mig. FAR Na NORA William Hickley blev i 1993 d�mt for drabet pa to britiske kvinder. Han tilstod mordene pa langt flere, men ligene blev aldrig fundet, sa sagerne forblev uopklarede. Og nu pastar han sa, at han har nye informationer i Lisbeth og Lulu-sagen. FAR Javel, na. Kunne han have dabt dem? NORA Ej. Nej, det virker da helt usandsynligt. FAR Ja. FAR Hvad med Damtoft? ANDREAS Men en engelsk seriemorder? Er det ikke lidt langt ude? NORA Jo. Men det er altsa lidt maerkeligt, at det sker samtidigt. ANDREAS Du skrev jo en artikel. Den er der jo lige flere, der har laest. NORA Jeg er nadt til at falge op pa det. ANDREAS Du har ikke taenkt dig at tage derover, vel? NORA Jo. Jo. Jeg kan ikke rigtig lade are. Berygtet, engelsk seriemorder vil tale med dansk journalist. ANDREAS Hvad med Damtoft? Det bliver en kaempe skandale, hvis det viser sig, at han ikke har noget med sagen at g�re. BIRTHE Som I alle sikkert ved, sa er der sket nogle ting og sager her pa det sidste. Det er ogsa derfor, at jeg er her i dag. BIRTHE Efter denne her session vil jeg blive her en times tid. Og sa kan du komme til mig, hvis du har noget, du gerne vil snakke med mig om. Men forst sa vil jeg lige fortaelle jer lidt om, hvad der kan vaere en god ide at g�re, og hvad der er knapt sa smart at gare, hvis I m�der nogen, som er ubehagelige. DRENG Jeg har h�rt, at blottere ikke er farlige. De har komplekser, fordi de har en lille pik. BIRTHE Ja. Nej, ved du hvad, det ved jeg faktisk ikke noget om, om de skulle have en lille. Men det, vi faktisk ved noget om, det er, at de her kraenkere de ofte starter med at gare det, som man kan kalde for mindre overgreb. Og det kan godt are, de blotter sig, eller det kan vare stalking. Og det kan vare svart at kende forskel. For hvad er harml�st, og hvad er mere alvorligt? Det er en god ide at vaere lidt pa vagt. Lidt forsigtig. BIRTHE Fordi de her kraenkere, de er farlige. Og desvaerre er det sadan, at nogle, og det er ofte maend, de kan vare sygeligt optaget af unge piger. Og den interesse kan desvaerre udvikle sig. Jeg er ikke, jeg er ikke psykolog. Men jeg kan love jer for, at vi ser nogle sager... nogle meget tragiske sager, hvor gerningsmanden han... Ja. Gerningsmanden, han har vaeret naermest besat af unge piger. Og det er i sidste ende gaet helt, helt galt. Ja? PIGE Men er det alle gamle maend, der er paedofiler? BIRTHE Nej. Nej. Min pointe er bare, at hvis I oplever noget, der er ubehageligt, eller I kender nogen, der haroplevet noget, der er ubehageligt, sa skal I altsa ikke vente med at sige fra. NORA I read that he was only convicted of two murders? SPENCER Technically only two. NORA But he confessed to fifteen. SPENCER It's a little unclear to me. I never had a chance to properly go trough the case with him. To me it was just another case in the archive. Something I never thought would be relevant again. NORA But why was he only convicted of two murders? SPENCER Those were the only two that the prosecution focused on. The evidence was strong and clear. It's a well-known strategy from prosecutors. By narrowing down the charge more than necessary, what they're actually doing is telling the jury that here we are very, very certain. SPENCER And you know how things were at the time. New public management for the police. It was still Thatcher's Britain. Everything was subject to cost-benefit analysis. Everyone knew that Hix was mad and that it was impossible to verify everything he claimed to have done. So the most important thing was to use the necessary resources to lock him away forever. SPENCER Two murders were more than enough. NORA And he got new information about two Danish girls? To be honest, I'm very skeptical about everything he says. What is most likely and this is his modus operandi, from what I understand he likes to get attention. NORA I'm Nora Sand. I've come here from Denmark because you wanted to talk to me. HIX I took the photos. NORA Any idea on how copies could end up with me? HIX Probably one of my fans? NORA Where did you meet Lisbeth Mogensen and Lulu Brandt? HIX On the ferry. NORA What ferry? HIX Between Esbjerg and Harwich. NORA What happened to the girls? HIX I killed them. NORA I need evidence. Facts. SPENCER I suggest we start by clarifying our expectations. What we all want to get out of this meeting. Whatever happens you are going to be locked up here for the rest of your life. You have no opportunity for parole. Nor do you claim to be innocent. So that can't be why you want to talk. NORA How do I know that you actually took those photos? That this is not something you are just making up? As I see it there are two possibilities. NORA One is that you want to talk to me because you. want to unburden your conscience. But I have the feeling that your conscience is not something that you are struggling with, since you could have put all of your cards on the table ages ago. Instead of letting the victim's families live in uncertainty. The other possibility is that you want more attention. SPENCER Disappointed? NORA No. We have a suspect in Denmark already. SPENCER The the assisting coach? NORA Yeah. And the evidence is piling up against him. SPENCER How do you think Hix became aware of you? NORA What do you mean? SPENCER How did he get hold of the article where you wrote about Lisbeth and Lulu? NORA I don't know. But everything is online now, so it shouldn't be that difficult, right? SPENCER But a Danish article, why would he search for that? NORA I have no idea. SPENCER Tell me about the assisting coach. What do you have on him? NORA He assaulted another girl from the handball team. And there are several complaints against him. We are also looking into him regarding a number of unsolved cases. SPENCER And the photographs of Lisbeth and Lulu? You didn't mention in your article how you got them. NORA Where are you going with this? SPENCER I'm just trying to understand. NORA Understand what? SPENCER I'm trying to understand why you are involved in this case. NORA The photographs were placed in my fathers mailbox. In an envelope with my name on it, but no sender. SPENCER Anonymous? NORA Yeah. SPENCER And that doesn't bother you? NORA No, I'm a quite well known journalist back in Denmark. So I receive tips sometimes. NORA Mostly from anonymous sources.And these cases tie to my hometown, so No, I don't find it that strange that I received the photographs. SPENCER What do you think is the motivation for these tips? NORA Usually someone who wants attention drawn to a certain issue. SPENCER Could the person who gave you the photographs be the one who took the pictures of Lisbeth and Lulu? SPENCER The person that you are after? I mean it must have crossed your mind. NORA Yeah, of course. SPENCER And that doesn't scare you? NORA No, not really. I mean it could also be someone who knows the perpetrator and wants to lead him to me. Or someone who somehow obtained the photographs, and wants to highlight that the police investigationwas insufficient. Could the one who tipped you off have tipped Hix off too? NORA There is no indication that Hix has anything to do with Lisbeth and Lulu. Right? SPENCER No, there is no suggestion that he is involved, except for one thing: That he reached out to you. I'm just trying to grasp the connection. Maybe there is no connection. Maybe it is just coincidence and. madness. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a man like Hix? BIRTHE Tak for hjaelpen. Det var da en fin gruppe. JYTTE Ja. Jeg tror ogsa, det var rigtig godt for eleverne at du var her. BIRTHE Er det forresten ikke dig, der er JYTTE Jo. BIRTHE Er han stadig pa hospitalet? JYTTE Ja. Han er ret medtaget, faktisk. BIRTHE Men I er kaerester, ikke? Du og ham. JYTTE Du... Det er bare, fordi Det er fordi, du sagde det der med, at at det isaer er de maend, der har sadan et et sygeligt fokus pa unge kvinder. Hvis man er paedofil, er der sa nogensinde en mulighed for, at man ligesom kan komme forbi det? Eller ? BIRTHE Nej, ikke Ikke sadan uden videre. BIRTHE Altsa, det, det kraever langvarig behandling. Terapi. Men som jeg ogsa sagde, sa er jeg jo ikke psykolog eller specialist pa det omrade. Jeg tror altsa bare ikke, det er sadan noget, man lige kommer sig over. Snarere tvaertimod, har jeg indtrykket af. Det er ikke din skyld. JYTTE Jeg burde have vidst det. Og jeg Jeg skammer mig. Sa BIRTHE Ved du hvad, man kan ikke kende en person. Du ma ikke klandre dig selv for de ting, han har gjort. Han er ene og alene ansvarlig for sine handlinger. NORA Hej, det er mig. Nej Hvis det overhovedet er nogen tr�st, sa kan jeg fortaelle dig, at politiet herovre de er lige sa fuldstaendig ubrugelige som derhjemme. Nej. Nej, der var ikke nogen beviser. Det var bare pastande. NORA Jeg synes altsa, han virker upalidelig. Ja Jeg tror bare, vi skal slette ham fra sagen. Giv mig lige to sekunder, Andreas. NORA Eh Ved du hvad, Spencer han ringer lige, sa jeg ringer lige tilbage til dig om to sekunder, ikke? Ja, godt. Hej du. Yes? NORA When? HIX Okay. What do you want to know? NORA You know what I'm after. What happened to Lisbeth and Lulu? How did you kill them? And where did you dispose of their bodies? HIX I had them both in my cellar. Lisbeth was easy to do away with. She was weak. Lisbeth was strangled. And Lulu she was strong. She was unusual. I didn't know what to do. So I left her HIX in the cellar for a while. She was a fighter. Somebody who never gives up. She irritated me. I looked around the house for a hammer or some sort of weapon. But I couldn't find anything suitable. I remember, I was half way down into the cellar and then I saw this old hoover standing there. So I took it with me. Pulled open the cellar door, she looked at me. Puzzled. HIX I remember she smiled, hesitantly. As if I might come down to hoover the cellar. And I approached her. And I struck her in the face with the hoover. At first she went sort of half way down onto her side because it was heavy. One of these old fashioned types, probably from the wartime. And then I hit her again. And gain. Her face was destroyed. HIX She could barely breathe. And then I just kicked her and smashed her in the head. Until I was sure, she was dead. NORA What did you do with their bodies? You know, all of this is worthless. unless you can give me some evidence. HIX Yeah.Yeah, I understand. NORA You still can't tell me where they were buried? SPENCER What happened? NORA This is where they were buried, Lisbeth and Lulu. In the sewers by the girls changing room. SPENCER Hazelmeade Park Okay. We'll check it out. NORA When? SPENCER As soon as we can, Nora. We'll follow it up, okay? It might take a few days. I need a technical team and resources. It doesn't happen in the blink of an eye. You just need to be patient. JYTTE Hey. Politiet var forbi skolen i dag. De vil gerne snakke med de unge om det. Og jeg taenkte. Gad vide, om min kaereste overhovedet er den, han giver sig ud for at vaere? Kan jeg stole pa dig? Fadervor Du som er i himlen Helliget vorde dit navn Komme dit rige. Ske din vilje. SPENCER Coffee? NORA Thanks. SPENCER You couldn't wait. NORA Sorry. SPENCER You have an issue with basic trust. Technical investigators are there now. Happy? NORA Why on Earth should I be happy? SPENCER You solved the case. Huge effort. Great work. Great journalism. NORA Yeah. Great journalism. I have been wrong about everything. So, no, I am definitely not happy. SPENCER Yeah. Yeah, okay. Let's go. TEKNIKER I've got something to show you. Come with me. SPENCER Could it be the girls? TEKNIKER Too early to tell. We found what appears to be five bodies. But it seems that this is the cite of a mass grave.